GuildWiki:Requests for adminship/Auron of Neon

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Auron has been a consistent contributor in GuildWiki. He's been vigorously working on the site policies, and has been an excellent contributor for our growing builds section. Not only does Auron know his way around the Wiki, but he is also experienced in-game, which is a quality that admins should have. He is also able to keep cool over different situations of Wiki-drama that occurs. There's no one else right now who I could even think about recommending. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 02:23, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:

Yea, I'm cool with it. It'd definitely speed up armor page editing, what with clearing out the unwanted images speedily. I'd also be able to help the Build section more with more tools available :) -Auron 03:59, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Support

1. Seen his sig in too many places to think of it as a coincidence. And I can't remember ANY place where he has been negative or acted in any negative way. Conclusion: A great wiki user. Judging fom his contributions I support the nomination. -- (talk) 07:40, 27 December 2006 (CST)
2. what gem said, the nazi thing is probably taken the wrong way >.< — Skuld 07:45, 27 December 2006 (CST)
3. (your vote here)

Oppose

1. Someone using a Nazi symbol in his user page is hardly a good choice for administratorship. To gem, one example: "the R/D scythe users are retarded as well". It's a pity that nazism is a laughing matter to you Skuld. My grandmother fled Germany while her family was imprisoned, tortured and killed. You know, I don't mind if you laugh your ass off about builds, guild wars, crappy skills, or whatever. Laughing at nazism is offensive and I will at least be heard, regardless of how little you and your buddies think of me. Got it? Edit: I undestand now that Skuld was laughing at ME, not the Nazi issue. That's fine with me.NightAngel 07:37, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   Please use his talk page to discuss disagreements with him, but while I'm here, I'll reply. The Nazi symbol on my userpage is a joke; in the text, it states "This user is an HA Nazi." I, for one, don't take that to mean "This user persecutes all Jews that try to do Heroes' Ascent," but rather, "This user shows the qualities commonly associated with the Soup Nazi on a popular soap/comedy, and as such, is labeled something similar." I'm probably every bit as Jewish as you are (you should see me in person) but I don't let it interfere with my everyday life. After all, I only have one life to live on this earth, and running around complaining about people/things is not how I'm going to spend it. (Also, the "R/D scythe users are retarded as well" was a joke, as I stated on your talk page, a long time ago). -Auron 08:13, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   I'm sorry, but there are jokes and there are jokes. You know, I belong to a minority and I don't really mind when there's a joke at its expense (life would be unbearable otherwise). And I'm not even a practicing Jew. But something still rubs me the wrong way when you treat Nazism as anything less serious than it should. I realize that the fact that I complain about so many things makes me look less qualified to talk about this, but make no mistake. As I said to Skuld, symbols are powerful carriers of meaning, regardless of intention. NightAngel 08:18, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   There are jokes, but there are people that can't take them. I refer you to "Everyone's a Little Bit Racist," a song from the Broadway Musical, Avenue Q.

   I have incredible pride in being both German and Jewish - both cultures have incredibly rich history (including musical history, which I am particularly interested in, being a musician). But I've always thought that being so prideful that I was wholeheartedly offended by any one person is stupid; why would you want to wear you pride on your sleeve, as it were? In your righteous anger, consider that your argument is about my sense of humor; one which you disagree with, most obviously. I understand that some people are easily offended by this subject; I also understand that the majority of those people have never logically reasoned it through. They are generally the same people that think Hitler was, indeed, the most evil man on earth; mostly because they never did enough reading to be knowledgeable about, say, Stalin - who killed twice as many people (at the very least), many of them Jewish. So... why, again, are you so ate up about Nazism? -Auron 08:40, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   I'm sorry Auron, but I didn't think your userbox was funny. I also have to see it remembering your comment that deleting votes = Nazi Germany. Also not funny. It didn't strike me as an attempt at being funny. I was not offended by, say "The Producers". I am offended by Iran's cartoon contest to debunk the "Holocaust myth". It's very hard to judge intent, so forgive me for not seeing the humor. Ps: I also dislike your argument. So, if there are serial killers who torture their victims, shooting people in the foot is more okay?NightAngel 08:54, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   This is just a joke and anyone with some common sense understands the point. This is just a "good reason" to vote negatively on someone who the voter dislikes for personal reasons. (= different opinnions in the builds section) -- (talk) 08:58, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   Just, QQ more NightAngel.. - Cracko 09:02, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   Yes , I knew that comment was coming. You know what, strike my vote. Make him an administrator. Elect him god on earth. But don't say using nazi symbols and handling the subject lightly (with no humor, I might add) is ok. A simple : "I'm sorry, I'll delete that now" would suffice and make me look overzealous. But that's not the reaction. Does it matter? Is it important to keep it up? NightAngel 09:04, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   I've asked on the talk page for NightAngel to lodge his/her complaints against me, and say why I'd make a horrible admin. So far, I've only heard him/her bash the defending of my userspace freedom and my sense of humor, but nothing that would make me a bad choice as an admin. -Auron 10:01, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   I'm not bashing anything. I'm voicing my opinions, speaking of "freedom". NightAngel 10:59, 27 December 2006 (CST)

2. I'm german and totally second NightAngel's argumentation. --Ineluki 08:09, 27 December 2006 (CST)
3. Thirded. The Nazi thing is a bit tasteless in my eyes as well (there's a huge difference between making a "Soup nazi" reference and using an actual swastika, which changes the context completely). Most importantly though, the answer to NightAngel on the talk page of this RFA also seems as the exactly wrong reaction to a user's concerns ("I'm right, you're wrong, and if you don't like that, go away"). If you can't show a bit more tact even on an issue which is as sensitive as this, then I don't think you are appropriate for this position. Lastly, just because a user is active on the wiki, doesn't mean that an adminship is deserved. There's dozen of users regularly active, so that alone isn't a sufficient reason to give adminship. Maybe sometime in the future such title is deserved, but that time is not yet here, I think. --Dirigible 09:02, 27 December 2006 (CST)

   As the discussion has further expanded above, between NightAngel and Auron, I'm even more convinced on my negative vote. I couldn't care less about whether that nazi reference on his page was a joke or not, or whether NightAngel is taking it too seriously or not. Auron's handling of this situation is pitiful. "I understand that some people are easily offended by this subject; I also understand that the majority of those people have never logically reasoned it through." Translation: "I understand that some people are easily offended by this subject, but those people are also wrong and stupid. So let them be offended, I couldn't care less. The end." My stance on this RFA is "Strongly opposed". --Dirigible 09:13, 27 December 2006 (CST)

4. Not saying anything about the nazi symbol in my reasons: I personaly do not like his attitude and agreement on the issue or the unexperianced build section. From what I can tell from his posts on the matter he thinks that the majority of guild wiki users are inferior to members of other fansites in experiance. He seems to think that the user base of the wiki is unexperianced as far as builds go, and this is based off his and others opinnions that some builds submitted by users are bad. And a admin should not think that about the website that he/she would be poilceing, that woudl lead to what im sure would be a abuse of power in the builds section. Now as far as the nazi symbol goes, if some find it offensive its reasonable to remove it, especialy if you are trying for adminship.--Sefre 14:57, 27 December 2006 (CST)
5. Oppose. "I've never contributed a build to GuildWiki, and I never will. I find the entire section of the wiki an embarassment, and I'm in favor of its complete removal." What happened to Guildwiki:You are valuable? If something is flawed, Wiki philosophy is that you should work to improve it, not just scrap it. Reading that along with his statement here, "I'd also be able to help the Build section more with more tools available" just makes me cringe. (For the record, I've never contributed to the Builds namespace either, so I'm not saying these things from a conflict of interest; I just see too much evidence of our own twisted version of Academic Standards Disease for comfort) --Dtremenak 17:49, 27 December 2006 (CST)