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icons of a lot of dif materials look alike. at that size, steel and iron look alike and could cause confusion. —JediRogue 02:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Iron Iron Ingot(s) Steel Steel Ingot(s) D Steel Deldrimor Steel Ingot(s). Steel looks much more "shiny" to me than Iron, which is simply dull and blackish. D Steel has a distinctive shape. And there's always the alt text. Or we could use a slightly larger height than 19px, of course, since these are for use in tables and not standard text. 25px might be good: Iron Iron Ingot(s) Steel Steel Ingot(s) D Steel Deldrimor Steel Ingot(s). —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 02:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
This is a nice idea but I agree that slightly bigger icons would be better. However I am wondering if all players remember what certain materials "look" like...could you tell me what the following materials are just by looking? Bolt of Damask.png Bolt of Linen.png Elonian Leather Square.png ...I would have bit of a hard time with some of the more rare materials. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 02:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I know what those are - Damask, Linen, ELeather - but I've crafted quite a few armors that used them, so I'm more familiar. Still, if you don't know what Elonian Leather is from the icon, how much more likely is it that you'll know what "E. Leather" means? Or "D. Steel"?
Anyway, this is the discussion on GWW about using the materials icons. Only one user objected, for the same reason (hard to tell icons apart), but the icons have been in use for a year now and apparently everyone likes them. When you talk to an armor crafter/weaponsmith or the Xunlai chest in-game, you get icons with a mouseover tooltip, exactly like what GWW uses. I feel that the tooltip is sufficient for identification. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 04:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I suppose you're right. I just hate to follow in their footsteps, which is what we seem to be doing on an ever-increasing basis. :\ Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 04:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
If it helps, I didn't propose this "because GWW does it," I proposed it because I feel it's a good idea. I only mentioned GWW because we can reference their implementation of it and, perhaps, even improve upon it.
I've come to see part of what Auron meant when he said that this wiki has "stagnated" - we've stuck to our old ways of doing things because it would be too much work to change. When GWW started up, they were able to implement a lot of new ideas because they had a proverbial "clean slate". Now, mostly due to Auron and Mendel, we're finally beginning to open up to the possibility of wide-sweeping changes. If some of those changes seem like we're "following in GWW's footsteps", then I like to think that it's simply because it's a genuinely good idea that they were able to implement first, not because we just want to "keep up with the neighbors". —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
We're not doing it "like GWW" does it, we do it like the crafters display it in-game: when you actually go buy, all you see is the icons, and you mouse over to find out what they mean. Doing it like this on Guildwiki just means players already know how to handle it — which is why it wasn't a problem on GWW, I assume. I also assume that we can fix the "bad" resizes by changing the palette of these icons to make the transparent color white. --◄mendel► 18:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Gah, why do I always forget the most important points? THAT is why I want to do it this way, because it matches the in-game crafting windows. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 14:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Given the lack of objections over the past two weeks, I'm going to go ahead with this project. I will be updating the armor gallery pages as I work through the armor gallery template project.

A couple questions on template names, then:

  • Unlike GWW, I think it would be best to use single-word, all-lowercase names for all the material templates, so I'm abbreviating Deldrimor Steel to {{dsteel}}, Elonian Leather to {{eleather}}, Monstrous Claw/Eye/Fang to {{claw}}/{{eye}}/{{fang}}, and Glass Vial to {{glass}} (since "vial" could refer to that or Vial of Ink). Does anyone have a problem with these names?
  • {{Hide}} is already used by the skill, so we have to use something for the material. I'm going with {{thide}} for now, which matches dsteel and eleather.

Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 23:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Templates/Material icons, I see. Anyway, if we have a naming scheme, is there any objection to making redirects so we can use either "eye" or "meye" ? I also think we should have the canonical names working. --◄mendel► 02:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Bone(s) Bone - Template:Bones Bones Iron Ingot(s) Iron Ingot - Template:Iron Ingots - Iron Ingot(s) Iron Tanned Hide Square(s) Tanned Hide Square - Template:Tanned Hide Squares Tanned Hide Squares - Tanned Hide Square(s) Thide - Template:Tanned Tanned
Scale(s) Scale - Template:Scales Scales Chitin Fragment(s) Chitin Fragment - Template:Chitin Fragments Chitin Fragments - Chitin Fragment(s) Chitin Bolt(s) of Cloth Bolt of Cloth - Template:Bolts of Cloth Bolts of Cloth - Bolt(s) of Cloth Cloth
Wood Plank(s) Wood Plank - Template:Wood Planks Wood Planks - Wood Plank(s) Wood Granite Slab(s) Granite Slab - Template:Granite Slabs Granite Slabs - Granite Slab(s) Granite Pile(s) of Glittering Dust Pile of Glittering Dust - Template:Piles of Glittering Dust Piles of Glittering Dust - Pile(s) of Glittering Dust Dust - Template:Gdust Gdust
Plant Fiber(s) Plant Fiber - Template:Plant Fibers Plant Fibers - Plant Fiber(s) Fiber - Template:Fibers Fibers - Template:Pfiber Pfiber - Template:Pfibers Pfibers Feather(s) Feather - Template:Feathers Feathers Fur Square(s) Fur Square - Template:Fur Squares Fur Squares - Fur Square(s) Fur
Bolt(s) of Linen Bolt of Linen - Template:Bolts of Linen Bolts of Linen - Bolt(s) of Linen Linen Bolt(s) of Damask Bolt of Damask - Template:Bolts of Damask Bolts of Damask - Bolt(s) of Damask Damask Bolt(s) of Silk Bolt of Silk - Template:Bolts of Silk Bolts of Silk - Bolt(s) of Silk Silk
Glob(s) of Ectoplasm Glob of Ectoplasm - Template:Globs of Ectoplasm Globs of Ectoplasm - Template:Ectoplasm Ectoplasm - Glob(s) of Ectoplasm Ecto - Template:Ekto Ekto Steel Ingot(s) Steel Ingot - Template:Steel Ingots Steel Ingots - Steel Ingot(s) Steel Deldrimor Steel Ingot(s) Deldrimor Steel Ingot - Template:Deldrimor Steel Ingots Deldrimor Steel Ingots - Template:Deldrimor Steel Deldrimor Steel - Deldrimor Steel Ingot(s) Dsteel
Monstrous Claw(s) Monstrous Claw - Template:Monstrous Claws Monstrous Claws - Monstrous Claw(s) Claw - Template:Claws Claws Monstrous Eye(s) Monstrous Eye - Monstrous Eye(s) Monstrous Eye - Monstrous Eye(s) Eye - Template:Eyes Eyes Monstrous Fang(s) Monstrous Fang - Template:Monstrous Fangs Monstrous Fangs - Monstrous Fang(s) Fang - Template:Fangs Fangs
Ruby(s) Ruby - Template:Rubies Rubies Sapphire(s) Sapphire - Template:Sapphires Sapphires Diamond(s) Diamond - Template:Diamonds Diamonds
Onyx Gemstone(s) Onyx Gemstone - Template:Onyx Gemstones Onyx Gemstones - Onyx Gemstone(s) Onyx Lump(s) of Charcoal Lump of Charcoal - Template:Lumps of Charcoal Lumps of Charcoal - Lump(s) of Charcoal Charcoal Obsidian Shard(s) Obsidian Shard - Template:Obsidian Shards Obsidian Shards - Obsidian Shard(s) Obsidian - Template:Obs Obs
Tempered Glass Vial(s) Tempered Glass Vial - Template:Tempered Glass Vials Tempered Glass Vials - Template:Glass Vial Glass Vial - Template:Glass Vials Glass Vials - Tempered Glass Vial(s) Glass Leather Square(s) Leather Square - Template:Leather Squares Leather Squares - Leather Square(s) Leather Elonian Leather Square(s) Elonian Leather Square - Template:Elonian Leather Squares Elonian Leather Squares - Template:Elonian Leather Elonian Leather - Elonian Leather Square(s) Eleather
Vial(s) of Ink Vial of Ink - Template:Vials of Ink Vials of Ink - Vial(s) of Ink Ink Roll(s) of Parchment Roll of Parchment - Template:Rolls of Parchment Rolls of Parchment - Roll(s) of Parchment Parchment Roll(s) of Vellum Roll of Vellum - Template:Rolls of Vellum Rolls of Vellum- Roll(s) of Vellum Vellum
Spiritwood Plank(s) Spiritwood Plank - Template:Spiritwood Planks Spiritwood Planks - Spiritwood Plank(s) Spiritwood - Template:Plank Plank - Template:Planks Planks - Template:Splank Splank Amber Chunk(s) Amber Chunk - Template:Amber Chunks Amber Chunks - Amber Chunk(s) Amber Jadeite Shard(s) Jadeite Shard - Template:Jadeite Shards Jadeite Shards - Template:Jadeite Jadeite - Jadeite Shard(s) Jade

What about capitalization? and redirects from the lower-case material names? --◄mendel► 02:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

*points to potential problem with the templates* Too lazy to repeat here.Entrea SumataeEntrea [Talk] 02:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Response to mendel's massive table of redlinks: why? That's too much work for too little benefit - these templates will rarely, if ever, get used outside of crafter tables. If you want to create all of those as redirects, go ahead, but I don't see any reason to use {{Deldrimor Steel Ingot}} instead of {{dsteel}}. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 03:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, when converting tables, it helps when you can just replace the brackets with curly brackets, without editing any text. That's why I am going to do the redirects with proper caps for the crafting materials now. --◄mendel► 11:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
NOW I want admin - moving this many pages runs into the throttle. :-( --◄mendel► 11:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hardly any crafting tables use the "proper" name, they either use abbreviations that redirect (Iron) or the proper name piped with a redirect (Iron), so unfortunately that argument fails. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, Artisan used the proper names, mostly, and it was easy to delete the "|glittering dust" from the one shortcutted name. Well, with the redirects we ought to be good now; you've noticed the images now link to the material articles so the icons can actually replace materials links, and if you see an abbreviation that doesn't redirect, it's probably a good idea to add it. I am now undecided about the plural forms, but leaning towards not doing them. --◄mendel► 17:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't forgotten about redirecting the images, I just didn't get around to it last night, then you and Felix did it while I was asleep. :P
On Artisan specifically, I think it would be good to keep the material names next to the icon in the first column, since this is kind of a "definition" table for those materials, and that's also what you see at the artisans in-game. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 18:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I was going to icon up the table more with profession icons where the armors are listed. The order of the materials seems off, too; it's not the same order we're used to from the chest or the traders. Fell free to re-add the links. --◄mendel► 22:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Alphabetical ordering seems fine to me, the only one out of place was Linen. The in-game ordering at the Rare Material Trader seems mostly random, so I'd argue against using that. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 23:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

First implementation[edit source]

I've updated the (semi-}core Warrior armors to use the mat icons: Warrior Ascalon armor, Warrior Krytan armor, Warrior Tyrian armor, and Warrior Obsidian armor. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

See the sandbox for some suggestions. I believe either the icons have to get smaller, or the amounts need to be bold. --◄mendel► 11:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
We could reduce them to x20px (see my addition to the sandbox), but then we get back to Jedi's complaint that they're to small to tell apart (I can tell just fine, though). —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

fixing black backgrounds[edit source]

"sometimes transparent backgrounds will come out as black when resized" Use action=purge to clear out any old thumbnails that were created prior to ImageMagick. -12.207.48.140 02:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

We've taken care of that, but thanks anyway. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 03:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)