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These are actually elementalists! They use Mind Burn as their elite in Hard Mode (as do the Renegade Elementalists). Surprised the heck out of me! --Valentein 04:14, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

The Renegades have the same weapons as the pre-Searing Bandits, which also appear in Regent Valley. So I think that after the invasion they became these Renegades. Why the Renegades fight other humans I don't know. But this is something I discovered. The Bandits and renegades fought with the Charr in fear and to protect themselves. Gate Guard Torin might became a Renegade leader named Torin. So maybe he was a bandit that helped the Charr through the gates (which he was guarding). In the quest "Charr at the Gate" there are Charr that came through. So this might be because Torin let them come through. Well this was my little piece of story. What do you think? The preceding unsigned comment was added by (contribs) .